One of the biggest questions I had for Heather was about women in role of pastor. While she has written about this on her own blog and even done a couple podcasts about the subject, the answer that she gave me in person was so helpful and insightful that I have to share it here.
Heather went on to break down what it meant to be a shepherd or pastor into three categories.
- Pastor or shepherd as a spiritual gift. A person with the spiritual gift of shepherding or pastoring is responsible for overseeing, training and caring for Christians; they are generally patient, people-centered, and willing to spend time in prayer for others. People with the spiritual gift of shepherding just naturally assume shepherding roles in their friend groups, workplaces, or other spheres of influence. They guide, direct, and lead people spiritually. They help bring them back when they wander off spiritually. They protect them from spiritual danger. They just naturally gravitate towards caring for the spiritual needs of others, regardless of their vocations or official ministry titles.
- Pastor or shepherd as a role. People can assume roles that are those of a pastor or shepherd. For example, small group leaders are assume roles where they care for the members of their group. In a formal discipleship relationship, the discipler is acting in the role of a pastor or shepherd. There are other examples as well where a person assumes a formal role as a pastor or shepherd.
- Pastor or shepherd as a title or position of authority. This is what people generally think of when they hear the word "pastor" -- this is someone who leads a church or a spiritual movement or something, generally as a vocation. This is a title of authority that is bestowed on an individual by others (e.g., a congregation, a group of elders, etc).
She explains a bit more about her own calling and opinions on her blog and on the podcasts, so I don't presume to speak for her here. However, I took several things away from our conversation worth sharing. The biggest takeaways for me were:
- Never seek the title or role of pastor. If the title or role is given to you by others and the Lord leads you to accept it, that's great. But seeking the title just for the title itself is not wise and will probably lead to all kinds of unintended (and probably counterproductive) consequences like having to "prove" your calling, trying to convince others of the legitimacy of your ministry, and so on. All of this can really detract from your ability to effectively spiritually care for those you're entrusted with.
- Always be humble enough to step out of the role if this is what the Lord is leading you to. Even if it's not originally about getting the title of pastor but the title of pastor finds you, it's important to be humble enough to follow the Lord's leading out of the role of pastor just like you followed the Lord's leading into the role if that is how He leads.
- Our overriding concern should always be whether having women pastors makes the Gospel more attractive. In urban, progressive contexts, for example, having a women preach and serve as a pastor can deconstruct walls and disassemble preconceived notions people have about the church. This can allow them to hear the Gospel more clearly since they are able to get past some of their preconceived notions about the church. In conservative, more traditional contexts, however, people may not be able to hear the message that we ultimately want them to hear if they cannot get past the fact the that it's a woman delivering it. This is a case where having women pastors can the Gospel less attractive. If having women pastors makes the Gospel more attractive, we should have women pastors. If not, we shouldn't. The overriding priority isn't and should never become proving something about gender roles in the church; it should be about making the name of Jesus famous and making disciples of Him.
I am kind of in this place now where I will just follow the Lord and do whatever He tells me. If that involves becoming a pastor, then I will become a pastor. It it involves something else, then I want to be faithful to doing whatever that is. I trust the Lord in His leading, and believe that He will make the next steps clear to me in His timing. In the meantime, however, I am really grateful for Heather's time and wisdom as I listen and work to figure out what the Lord has next for me.
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